Yep, can be so. I just hope this time it will be better.
Yep, can be so. I just hope this time it will be better.
Though I agree with samdark on this, please note Antonio, that even if such situation would exist, Microsoft guys would even so develop own browser. Simply like that, because this is the way Redmond thinks. If it would be only one, common webbrowsing engine - it would have to be open-source. And since for Microsoft an open source is… not existing / bad as bad it can be… you got the answer.
And, beside. Look at any famous project (like VNC for example) on sourceforge.net or any other open source project repository. All projects goes always the same way. There always is or soon or later there will be someone thinking that the same can be done slightly different and creates a fork.
My conclusion is that having one, universal webbrowser engine isn’t bad. It is simple impossible. And even, if it would be possible, Microsoft would even so build it’s own browser. Tada! :]
hi Tredjer, you are right,
what ‘standards’ i mean is something like this case:
i have done build some web apps, and its time to show it to my client(IT manager)
but WHAT? my client use IE6 in his PC!,
so there is a lots error, some miss layout, ajax not working, etc.
i ask him 'why dont you use firefox or upgrade to IE8 or IE9?
what he said "c’mon there is 1000 employers in this company and most of them using IE6(from windows xp bundle),
i think(in IT GM perception), its not easy task to ask them to upgrade they browser, they all ‘busy’ people"
so they dont care about it, and i am not have enough bargain power to push my client,
and i just said, “ok ok, we will fix it” 
is IE6 still use in U.S or in your country?
Well… If I’m not mistaken, Windows XP Service Pack 3 (even SP2 too) forced user to upgrade to IE 7. Even more - constant upgrades via Windows Update would eventually install you IE 8. I’m pretty sure about that, as my mum is still using XP, with SP3 instalelled and Windows Update turned on and has IE 8 like since about a year or so.
Therefore, conclusion is - sorry for strong words - that your fellows in a company are rather stupid than busy. As they had intentionally turned off Windows Updates, because if the wouldn’t do this they would already had IE 8 on board. And using Windows (any version) without constantly patching it with newest updates Is for my much, much more risky (stupid?) that staying in IE 6! :] :] :]
Oh, I am pretty sure that there are many people like your IT manager in any country! :] Blah… what are asking about? I know people that are still using Windows 95! :]
I would rather support Antonio’s question if IE should be used or if webpages should force user to upgrade to a newer version, that asking if IE 6 is being used, because it is and it will be for a long time.
There was a very famous, internationally recognizable Polish SF author (Stanislaw Lem), who had said once: Before I got connected to the Internet I had no idea that there are so many idiots around the world. I think this is a good conclusion to all people still using IE 6! :] (Sorry, samdark, as you seems to be liking this kind of people! :])
And what with all the "glamour" sites like "about.me" "facebook" "twitter"and like… do you think they work on IE6 ?
I don’t know like those you mentioned (I don’t use social networking at all), but I saw a few rather big sites in my home Poland that when connected with IE 6 were saying something like “sorry, we buried down IE 6, please upgrade”.
And yes - I just found (myself! :]) a great argument! If Microsoft itself is forcing using IE 8 (you have to manually, intentionally turn off Windows Updates or remove IE update from a list of updates) then we are talking about not reasonable users. My site should not support not reasonable users as they are general threat to whole world! :] :] :]
As someone in this thread mentioned. We would have a complete different discussion if creator of IE 6 would still support it. But they put "R.I.P" label on it years ago…
All points are right here…
but the problem is that old OS like windows 98 the latest IE you can install is in fact IE6… you cannot upgrade… and many users have old computers that does not support new anything new then win98… so they are stick with IE6
Well… they have an option to upgrade, by… buying new computer! :] Using Windows 98 or Me in 2010 can be compared to one of Die Hard III (Die Hard with Vengeance) opening scenes - i.e. going down to Harlem with I hate Niggas table on your chest! :] ;] ;]
But seriously. I’m talking here about people that can upgrade, but refuses to do so. Just like someone before me mentioned. All those busy managers…
it’s seems money is nothing for you 
thats is REALITY, like this topic said
"Is anybody still using this?"
the answer is YES(in my country), regardless they want/turn-off the update fitur or not, thats is they choice(maybe all people in your country so clever to turn it on).
just like someone said "the buyers is a king"
Oh, you misunderstood me.
Money is a big problem for me. To be honest with you, up until now I haven’t bought any computer directly for cash, I had to take loan (credit) for each of my new machine, I bought! 
But, on the other hand I’m realistic person, with more reality-economic point of view. And I am more than sure that using old, buggy equipment (both software and hardware) can be much more expensive than costs of upgrade - to name data loss and leakage of private data as primary, but not only things.
I asked you to forgive me for my strong words and I’m asking for this again now, but I won’t change my mind. Turning off Microsoft Updates is a very huge stupidity, if you take into account, how many bugs and security holes there are in Microsoft software. If one has blocked Microsoft Updates due to having illegal copy, should in my opinion either buy a legal one or switch to free alternative of Linux, OpenOffice etc. Again - I respect money - but I’m pretty sure that costs of using insecure software may be and often are much higher than expenses for new, more secure equipment.
its okay, nothing should be forgiven 
Let me once more reopen the discussion… String I found inside WordPress code:
Well… I don’t know like others but lack of support of Internet Explorer 6 by such medium like WordPress (6 million new blogs, 146 million new posts, 53 billion pageviews and 94,5 terabyte of media uploaded in 2010) is a great argument for throwing away IE 6 support in both Yii and Yii-powered applications.
Trejder
Currently we don’t have serious problems with IE6 in Yii (framework) so there is no extra support required.
Sorry, I wrote it mistakenly. Of course there isn’t and there shouldn’t be no problem with Yii and IE 6 as this is server-side framework and most problem with IE 6 relates to CSS, JavaScript and sometimes HTML - all client-side languages.
what he said "c’mon there is 1000 employers in this company and most of them using IE6(from windows xp bundle),
i have 20,000 - 30,000 employers in this company and most of them using IE6(from windows xp SP2) 
http://ie6countdown.com (by Microsoft!)
Personally, I don’t care about feature parity on IE6 anymore, I just check that websites degrade gracefully.
For me it depends on the audience. Degrades gracefully is fine if the site’s aimed at designers, developers and geeks.
I’ve had to develop internal sites for big organisations who run exclusively IE6 (and still do). In these cases there’s no escape.
Also for ecommerce sites it’s worth going the extra mile with IE6 support to avoid missing out on any sales.
These are the IE stats for my site that launched yesterday with ~8500 hits, in Brazil:
IE 8 73%
IE 7 16%
IE 9 7%
IE 6 2%
Finally IE 6 is dying!
IE 6 users are mostly from the East:
China: 34%
South Korea: 22%
Vietnam: 12%
However, Google has announced that they will stop supporting older browsers.
That includes IE 6 and IE 7, Firefox 3.5 and Safari 3.
A bit excessive, perhaps?
But, that does not change that the aging ID 6 browser from 2001 (!) is hopelessly insecure and totally open to all kinds of malicious attacks… Sitting ducks.
If it’s the money, why are they not using Linux ?
I haven’t heard that news, but if this is true, if they are about to “kill” for example Firefox 3.5, then yes - this is not only excessive a bit, but a radical decision.
Especially since “they” (Mozilla) keeps promising us that each new version is 10x, 16x or so faster than previous one and the true is that each new version of FF gets slower and slower then ever. I’m serious thinking about downgrading from 4.0 to 3.6 as “sixteen times faster than 3.6” edition of Firefox turned out to be even slower that 3.6 (which itself was soooou slow!). Some of my friends started to call it “Firecow” it is that slow.
Because there is no IE 6 under Linux? :] :] :]