@lubosdz I completely agree with your concerns and let me add my voice to you as well regarding AR ( change / drop / releasing Yii 3 without it for any reason) should be announced and introduced globally to the whole community and making sure there’s a real reason why it’ll not be included / replaced by another ORM.
Completely agree with you, @samdark I believe we’ve to distinguish between having Yii compatible with any library vs loosing the framework standards / spirit / and signature. Yii 3 IMHO should keep the spirit and signature of Yii and make sure we are not ending by having a group of libraries under one umbrella without guidance / standards that distinguished Yii in the last 10 years.
@samdark IMHO Yii 3 should not be released without having AR as the default ORM shipped. otherwise 99% of Yii developers will be forced to have dramatic changes that will lead to lose them trying the 3rd version of Yii, and will lead current Yii developers seek for a more sustainable / backward compatible framework.
I’m not against changing, and not against trying something simpler and better, but we’ve to make sure that the community is understanding the new changes especially when it touches a back-bone part in the framework like AR.
Regarding we don’t have resources to port Yii 2 AR to Yii 3, I can participate in this part, we can discuss it further to put requirements / deliverables, will be my pleasure for sure to contribute to my favorite framework.